Comments on: Michigan to transfolk: “Talk To The Hand.” http://othermag.org/blog/?p=73 pop culture and politics for the new outcasts Fri, 03 Sep 2010 21:06:22 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8 hourly 1 By: Emilia http://othermag.org/blog/?p=73&cpage=1#comment-1197 Emilia Tue, 29 Aug 2006 18:36:33 +0000 http://othermag.org/blog/?p=73#comment-1197 I also think that its related to how other trans women refer to themselves as "trans women". Such as myself. My difference I've found between myself and those who would refer to themselves as woman born trans is that I tend to be more queer and involved in queer culture. Whereas, those who use woman born trans still align themselves with normative heterosexual and lesbian communities. The issue becomes, what comes first, the trans or the woman in your identity. I also think that its related to how other trans women refer to themselves as “trans women”. Such as myself.

My difference I’ve found between myself and those who would refer to themselves as woman born trans is that I tend to be more queer and involved in queer culture. Whereas, those who use woman born trans still align themselves with normative heterosexual and lesbian communities.

The issue becomes, what comes first, the trans or the woman in your identity.

]]> By: Emilia http://othermag.org/blog/?p=73&cpage=1#comment-1196 Emilia Tue, 29 Aug 2006 18:22:55 +0000 http://othermag.org/blog/?p=73#comment-1196 I think WBT is an east coast affectation among more normative-gender alligned transwomen (I've heard both straight and lesbian transwomen use it). I originally heard it from a trans woman in NYC. The attitude behind is is pretty old though. "My gender is authentic and normative because..." kind of explanation. I think WBT is an east coast affectation among more normative-gender alligned transwomen (I’ve heard both straight and lesbian transwomen use it). I originally heard it from a trans woman in NYC. The attitude behind is is pretty old though. “My gender is authentic and normative because…” kind of explanation.

]]> By: charlieanders http://othermag.org/blog/?p=73&cpage=1#comment-1159 charlieanders Mon, 28 Aug 2006 16:36:56 +0000 http://othermag.org/blog/?p=73#comment-1159 Hey Emilia, I didn't see the term "WBT" in any official release from Camp Trans. I did see it being used a fair bit by transwomen posting on the MWMF message boards. Hey Emilia, I didn’t see the term “WBT” in any official release from Camp Trans. I did see it being used a fair bit by transwomen posting on the MWMF message boards.

]]> By: Liz Henry http://othermag.org/blog/?p=73&cpage=1#comment-1062 Liz Henry Thu, 24 Aug 2006 18:35:11 +0000 http://othermag.org/blog/?p=73#comment-1062 Julia Serano has added <a href=http://www.juliaserano.com/frustration.html#postTWE rel="nofollow">more analysis</a> to her earlier post .... take a look! \"Unfortunately, this recent slight policy tweak could turn out to be a stroke of genius for Lisa Vogel. By upholding the \"womyn-born-womyn\" policy, she avoids alienating the most hard-core anti-trans faction of festival goers, while at the same time potentially duping pro-trans queer women into believing that the festival has changed its ways.\" Serano articulates crucial points about political manipulation (by Vogel), power, spin, and safety for trans women. Great stuff. Julia Serano has added more analysis to her earlier post …. take a look!

\”Unfortunately, this recent slight policy tweak could turn out to be a stroke of genius for Lisa Vogel. By upholding the \”womyn-born-womyn\” policy, she avoids alienating the most hard-core anti-trans faction of
festival goers, while at the same time potentially duping pro-trans queer women into believing that the festival has changed its ways.\”

Serano articulates crucial points about political manipulation (by Vogel), power, spin, and safety for trans women. Great stuff.

]]> By: Emilia http://othermag.org/blog/?p=73&cpage=1#comment-1061 Emilia Thu, 24 Aug 2006 18:11:36 +0000 http://othermag.org/blog/?p=73#comment-1061 Hi, I was one of the writers of the camp trans press release earlier this week. I don't remember using WBT. Where did you see this? Hi,

I was one of the writers of the camp trans press release earlier this week. I don’t remember using WBT.

Where did you see this?

]]> By: La Gringa http://othermag.org/blog/?p=73&cpage=1#comment-1043 La Gringa Thu, 24 Aug 2006 07:03:11 +0000 http://othermag.org/blog/?p=73#comment-1043 Okaqy, Charlie, dudette - go read the comments that have been piling up over at La Gringa in reference to this post. I am utterly disgusted that in this day and age there are so many hateful human beings within our own LGBT community. Lisa Vogel is also invited to kiss my big fat hairy Irish ass. Okaqy, Charlie, dudette – go read the comments that have been piling up over at La Gringa in reference to this post. I am utterly disgusted that in this day and age there are so many hateful human beings within our own LGBT community.

Lisa Vogel is also invited to kiss my big fat hairy Irish ass.

]]> By: charlieanders http://othermag.org/blog/?p=73&cpage=1#comment-1019 charlieanders Wed, 23 Aug 2006 21:07:11 +0000 http://othermag.org/blog/?p=73#comment-1019 Yeah, I totally hear you about the enforced binary thing. Even though I define myself as a woman, it's never a precise definition. But I guess if people are determined to say there's this category called "woman" and we're going to herd people into it or out of it, then you should at least let people decide for themselves whether that label fits. Otherwise, it's just the boundary police whacking people upside the head as usual. (See issue #3 of other for more about the boundary police thing.) Yeah, I totally hear you about the enforced binary thing. Even though I define myself as a woman, it’s never a precise definition. But I guess if people are determined to say there’s this category called “woman” and we’re going to herd people into it or out of it, then you should at least let people decide for themselves whether that label fits. Otherwise, it’s just the boundary police whacking people upside the head as usual. (See issue #3 of other for more about the boundary police thing.)

]]> By: Adrien http://othermag.org/blog/?p=73&cpage=1#comment-986 Adrien Wed, 23 Aug 2006 18:42:14 +0000 http://othermag.org/blog/?p=73#comment-986 I'm often quite torn in my emotional response to things like this. My primary response is an impassioned, "Oh, hell no!"; exclusion and oppression is wrong, particularly if the oppressors have been oppressed themselves. But as a nonbinary transperson, there's that impossible to quiet voice in my head that reminds me that all parties are engaged in binarist ideology and dialogue, and that there is no stated position that does not exclude me. As I tend to say all too often, I'm willing to fight the good fight, but I get tired of being collateral damage. I’m often quite torn in my emotional response to things like this. My primary response is an impassioned, “Oh, hell no!”; exclusion and oppression is wrong, particularly if the oppressors have been oppressed themselves. But as a nonbinary transperson, there’s that impossible to quiet voice in my head that reminds me that all parties are engaged in binarist ideology and dialogue, and that there is no stated position that does not exclude me. As I tend to say all too often, I’m willing to fight the good fight, but I get tired of being collateral damage.

]]> By: La Gringa http://othermag.org/blog/?p=73&cpage=1#comment-982 La Gringa Wed, 23 Aug 2006 18:04:33 +0000 http://othermag.org/blog/?p=73#comment-982 I volunteer for Chief Pee-Pee Inspector! I volunteer for Chief Pee-Pee Inspector!

]]> By: Jami http://othermag.org/blog/?p=73&cpage=1#comment-966 Jami Wed, 23 Aug 2006 16:19:22 +0000 http://othermag.org/blog/?p=73#comment-966 ...and apparently next year there will be DNA testing before ticket sales. Admission of intersex individuals will be decided upon by an Admissions Committee and will include pee-pee inspections. …and apparently next year there will be DNA testing before ticket sales. Admission of intersex individuals will be decided upon by an Admissions Committee and will include pee-pee inspections.

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