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		<title>By: UstillUP</title>
		<link>http://othermag.org/blog/?p=72&#038;cpage=1#comment-241570</link>
		<dc:creator>UstillUP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 04:54:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love the Doctor Who Series.  Sometimes me and my friends stay up late just to chat about this awesome program.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the Doctor Who Series.  Sometimes me and my friends stay up late just to chat about this awesome program.</p>
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		<title>By: Doctor Who Series</title>
		<link>http://othermag.org/blog/?p=72&#038;cpage=1#comment-236445</link>
		<dc:creator>Doctor Who Series</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jun 2010 16:22:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doctor Who Series is a popular UK based TV show.Its a good sci-fi show to watch.I always like this types of show.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doctor Who Series is a popular UK based TV show.Its a good sci-fi show to watch.I always like this types of show.</p>
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		<title>By: Official Shrub.com Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Feminist SF Carnival: 4th Edition</title>
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		<dc:creator>Official Shrub.com Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Feminist SF Carnival: 4th Edition</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 06:02:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] And to wrap things up with this section, another post from Charlie Anders at othermag: So much for the feminist take on Doctor Who [Caution! Spoilers in link.], which discusses the relationship between the Doctor and his companion. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] And to wrap things up with this section, another post from Charlie Anders at othermag: So much for the feminist take on Doctor Who [Caution! Spoilers in link.], which discusses the relationship between the Doctor and his companion. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
		<link>http://othermag.org/blog/?p=72&#038;cpage=1#comment-48476</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2007 14:47:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I definitely think that the relationships between the Doctor and, first Rose and now Martha, have been fairly uninteresting, with the first season have a bit more nuance (primarily because I think that Eccleston was just more nuanced in general). It&#039;s a real disappointment.

My vote for a female Doctor--although I hadn&#039;t thought of Tilda Swinton and she would be incredible--is for Miranda Richardson. Or, at the very least, an older companion, one not interested in romance with the Doctor. I know you have to have someone the kids can identify with, but unwillingness to deviate from &quot;the formula&quot; is nothing more than a lack of imagination.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I definitely think that the relationships between the Doctor and, first Rose and now Martha, have been fairly uninteresting, with the first season have a bit more nuance (primarily because I think that Eccleston was just more nuanced in general). It&#8217;s a real disappointment.</p>
<p>My vote for a female Doctor&#8211;although I hadn&#8217;t thought of Tilda Swinton and she would be incredible&#8211;is for Miranda Richardson. Or, at the very least, an older companion, one not interested in romance with the Doctor. I know you have to have someone the kids can identify with, but unwillingness to deviate from &#8220;the formula&#8221; is nothing more than a lack of imagination.</p>
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		<title>By: other blog &#187; So much for the feminist take on Doctor Who, part 2</title>
		<link>http://othermag.org/blog/?p=72&#038;cpage=1#comment-11075</link>
		<dc:creator>other blog &#187; So much for the feminist take on Doctor Who, part 2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Dec 2006 20:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The episode mostly seemed to be a final insult (of many) to poor old Rose, as the Doctor attempts to replace her with possibly the stupidest companion he&#8217;s ever had. (Yes, dumber than Dodo.) Rose wasn&#8217;t super-educated, but the show made a point of showing over and over again that she was a quick learner who asked the right questions. She was curious. She figured things out on her own. Until she became unbearably smug in season two, these characteristics made her really likeable and admirable. Donna, by contrast, doesn&#8217;t know and doesn&#8217;t care. Alien spaceships and cyber-armies (from previous episodes) completely went over her head (so to speak). The script hammers home the point that she&#8217;s a total moron, and then makes a point of telling us she&#8217;d be a good replacement for Rose. WTF?! But it&#8217;s supposed to be okay, because of the constant sentimental invoking of the Doctor&#8217;s bond with Rose, and how sad he is, and how much he wishes he was dirty dancing with Rose instead of fighting robot Santas. The show wants us to love Rose (even though she&#8217;s gone) but not respect her. Russell T. Davies always responds to straw man criticisms of his writing on Doctor Who: supposedly people don&#8217;t like it because they don&#8217;t want to see character development, or emotions, or subtext or whatever. Not me. I&#8217;m for those things. I&#8217;ve written tons of fanfic in my head where Nyssa decides to avenge the destruction of Traken instead of sweeping it under the rug, or where Adric&#8217;s death has a lasting impact on the Doctor. Yay for character development. I haven&#8217;t really seen much on Davies&#8217; Doctor Who so far, to be honest. I&#8217;ve seen a lot of moments smushed together, but the Doctor can&#8217;t (or won&#8217;t) change, and Rose hardly did. (Random thought: what would have been really interesting is if we&#8217;d seen Rose getting sick of the Doctor and deciding to leave him, which after all is what 99 percent of his companions have done in the past. Or Rose&#8217;s feelings about the Doctor becoming more mixed and less luvvy duvvy. That would have constituted development instead of a single note held for two seasons.) Anyway, the end of season two saw the departure of the show&#8217;s entire supporting cast, which means we get a blank slate. Will we see an actual arc this time around? Or will it be like (shudder) Torchwood? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The episode mostly seemed to be a final insult (of many) to poor old Rose, as the Doctor attempts to replace her with possibly the stupidest companion he&#8217;s ever had. (Yes, dumber than Dodo.) Rose wasn&#8217;t super-educated, but the show made a point of showing over and over again that she was a quick learner who asked the right questions. She was curious. She figured things out on her own. Until she became unbearably smug in season two, these characteristics made her really likeable and admirable. Donna, by contrast, doesn&#8217;t know and doesn&#8217;t care. Alien spaceships and cyber-armies (from previous episodes) completely went over her head (so to speak). The script hammers home the point that she&#8217;s a total moron, and then makes a point of telling us she&#8217;d be a good replacement for Rose. WTF?! But it&#8217;s supposed to be okay, because of the constant sentimental invoking of the Doctor&#8217;s bond with Rose, and how sad he is, and how much he wishes he was dirty dancing with Rose instead of fighting robot Santas. The show wants us to love Rose (even though she&#8217;s gone) but not respect her. Russell T. Davies always responds to straw man criticisms of his writing on Doctor Who: supposedly people don&#8217;t like it because they don&#8217;t want to see character development, or emotions, or subtext or whatever. Not me. I&#8217;m for those things. I&#8217;ve written tons of fanfic in my head where Nyssa decides to avenge the destruction of Traken instead of sweeping it under the rug, or where Adric&#8217;s death has a lasting impact on the Doctor. Yay for character development. I haven&#8217;t really seen much on Davies&#8217; Doctor Who so far, to be honest. I&#8217;ve seen a lot of moments smushed together, but the Doctor can&#8217;t (or won&#8217;t) change, and Rose hardly did. (Random thought: what would have been really interesting is if we&#8217;d seen Rose getting sick of the Doctor and deciding to leave him, which after all is what 99 percent of his companions have done in the past. Or Rose&#8217;s feelings about the Doctor becoming more mixed and less luvvy duvvy. That would have constituted development instead of a single note held for two seasons.) Anyway, the end of season two saw the departure of the show&#8217;s entire supporting cast, which means we get a blank slate. Will we see an actual arc this time around? Or will it be like (shudder) Torchwood? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: charlieanders</title>
		<link>http://othermag.org/blog/?p=72&#038;cpage=1#comment-1251</link>
		<dc:creator>charlieanders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2006 18:21:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I sort of liked Ace, especially in &quot;Curse of Fenric&quot; where she&#039;s obviously figuring things out much faster than the Doctor expects her to. Although there&#039;s also the weird &quot;second hand on a stopwatch&quot; seduction scene. 

Barbara may have been the toughest companion the Doctor ever had, although she screams a few times during her tenure. But yeah, Leela and Romana were by far the most feminist companions.

Chris Boucher has been playing with the idea that Leela is often right where the Doctor is wrong in his novels, especially &quot;Match of the Day.&quot; It&#039;s a neat twist on the Doctor-Leela relationship.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sort of liked Ace, especially in &#8220;Curse of Fenric&#8221; where she&#8217;s obviously figuring things out much faster than the Doctor expects her to. Although there&#8217;s also the weird &#8220;second hand on a stopwatch&#8221; seduction scene. </p>
<p>Barbara may have been the toughest companion the Doctor ever had, although she screams a few times during her tenure. But yeah, Leela and Romana were by far the most feminist companions.</p>
<p>Chris Boucher has been playing with the idea that Leela is often right where the Doctor is wrong in his novels, especially &#8220;Match of the Day.&#8221; It&#8217;s a neat twist on the Doctor-Leela relationship.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathanael Nerode</title>
		<link>http://othermag.org/blog/?p=72&#038;cpage=1#comment-1249</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathanael Nerode</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2006 17:24:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve found Russell&#039;s take to be one of the more regressive periods for Doctor Who, in terms of sexism.  (Beat out by Peri and Jo Grant.)

The high point for Doctor Who was in the late 1970s, with companions Leela and Romana (I and II).  That period is really very feminist and progressive; in particular, the Doctor is very often clearly wrong and the companion is right (though the Doctor never admits it, because he&#039;s so arrogant).  The companion-Doctor relationships are noticably different from the norm in both cases.

Also, guest cast roles are usually without sex stereotyping during this period, which is certainly not true of earlier or later periods, including Russell&#039;s.

Interestingly, the original 1963 lineup (with Barbara Wright) was also better than many subsequent periods.

The worst periods are 1971-1973 (Jo Grant) and 1984-1985 (Peri).  Unfortunately, Russell&#039;s tenure so far, while better than those, is pretty much average-to-poor from a feminist POV.  Rose is really just a more believable Ace, or a more modern Victoria.  And Jackie, while a very entertaining character, is a broad and negative female stereotype.  The only strong female characters in the last two seasons have turned out to be villains, and fairly cliched villians at that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve found Russell&#8217;s take to be one of the more regressive periods for Doctor Who, in terms of sexism.  (Beat out by Peri and Jo Grant.)</p>
<p>The high point for Doctor Who was in the late 1970s, with companions Leela and Romana (I and II).  That period is really very feminist and progressive; in particular, the Doctor is very often clearly wrong and the companion is right (though the Doctor never admits it, because he&#8217;s so arrogant).  The companion-Doctor relationships are noticably different from the norm in both cases.</p>
<p>Also, guest cast roles are usually without sex stereotyping during this period, which is certainly not true of earlier or later periods, including Russell&#8217;s.</p>
<p>Interestingly, the original 1963 lineup (with Barbara Wright) was also better than many subsequent periods.</p>
<p>The worst periods are 1971-1973 (Jo Grant) and 1984-1985 (Peri).  Unfortunately, Russell&#8217;s tenure so far, while better than those, is pretty much average-to-poor from a feminist POV.  Rose is really just a more believable Ace, or a more modern Victoria.  And Jackie, while a very entertaining character, is a broad and negative female stereotype.  The only strong female characters in the last two seasons have turned out to be villains, and fairly cliched villians at that.</p>
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		<title>By: Alas, a blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Feminist SF Carnival: 4th Edition</title>
		<link>http://othermag.org/blog/?p=72&#038;cpage=1#comment-1120</link>
		<dc:creator>Alas, a blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Feminist SF Carnival: 4th Edition</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Aug 2006 09:07:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] And to wrap things up with this section, another post from Charlie Anders at othermag: So much for the feminist take on Doctor Who [Caution! Spoilers in link.], which discusses the relationship between the Doctor and his companion. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] And to wrap things up with this section, another post from Charlie Anders at othermag: So much for the feminist take on Doctor Who [Caution! Spoilers in link.], which discusses the relationship between the Doctor and his companion. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: charlieanders</title>
		<link>http://othermag.org/blog/?p=72&#038;cpage=1#comment-1082</link>
		<dc:creator>charlieanders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Aug 2006 22:15:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, Doctor Who and the Curse of Fatal Death was amazing, apart from the annoying fart jokes, that is.</description>
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		<title>By: SFMichele</title>
		<link>http://othermag.org/blog/?p=72&#038;cpage=1#comment-991</link>
		<dc:creator>SFMichele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Aug 2006 19:17:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those of us who have enjoyed &quot;Doctor Who 
and the Curse of Fatal Death&quot; (a 1999 Comic
Relief spoof starring Rowan Atkinson as The
Doctor) have already gotten to see The
Doctor regenerate as a woman... Joanna
Lumley, to be precise. &#039;Twas delightful!
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0212887/</description>
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and the Curse of Fatal Death&#8221; (a 1999 Comic<br />
Relief spoof starring Rowan Atkinson as The<br />
Doctor) have already gotten to see The<br />
Doctor regenerate as a woman&#8230; Joanna<br />
Lumley, to be precise. &#8216;Twas delightful!<br />
<a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0212887/" rel="nofollow">http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0212887/</a></p>
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